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Há versões ligeiramente diferentes, mas esta é a mais famosa, e, IMO, a melhor:



Há tanto a comentar relativamente a este anúncio e à mensagem que ele transmite. Posso fazê-lo, mas queria opiniões não-influenciadas primeiro. ]]>
Há versões ligeiramente diferentes, mas esta é a mais famosa, e, IMO, a melhor:



Há tanto a comentar relativamente a este anúncio e à mensagem que ele transmite. Posso fazê-lo, mas queria opiniões não-influenciadas primeiro. ]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-2120.html Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:05:59 +0100 Dehumanizer]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-2120.html série "Bad Comic Panels" no Winterdrake, e, se quiserem ver os meus brilhantes e insightful comentários, o melhor é clickarem nesse link. Mas, como eu sou um tipo simpático, para o caso de quererem ver só as imagens, vou reproduzi-las aqui:

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]]> série "Bad Comic Panels" no Winterdrake, e, se quiserem ver os meus brilhantes e insightful comentários, o melhor é clickarem nesse link. Mas, como eu sou um tipo simpático, para o caso de quererem ver só as imagens, vou reproduzi-las aqui:

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Em 1978, a equipa da Marvel que escrevia a revista "Conan the Barbarian" (Roy Thomas, John Buscema e Ernie Chan) fez o número 13 da série "What If" (criada pelo próprio Thomas, e escrita por ele nos primeiros números) baseada na seguinte questão: e se Conan, o Bárbaro, andasse na Terra nos dias de hoje?

É uma boa história, com arte meio "barbára" (Buscema + Chan), mas nos dias de hoje. E, realisticamente, como a história se passa em pouquíssimo tempo, o Conan não fala nem tem tempo de aprender inglês, é claro, e por isso não pode comunicar com ninguém (excepto... bem, vejam). No fim -- e, desculpem, mas tenho de spoilar a coisa, por causa da história que se segue -- ele volta à sua era.

Anos mais tarde (1984), Peter Gillis (autor daquele "What If" brilhante em que o Capitão América é descongelado só nos anos 80), com Bob Hall como artista, escreveu algo invulgar: um "What If" dependente de outro "What If" (o anterior, é claro): e se o Conan não tivesse voltado à era Hiboriana, e ficasse preso no presente, em New York?

É uma história interessante. Sim, ele agora tem tempo para aprender inglês (se bem que há cenas cómicas de antes de ele o fazer decentemente), e... bem, é melhor não spoilar. Só digo isto: 1) Conan vestido como um "pimp" dos anos 70/80! e 2) na luta contra o Capitão América, há sangue.

Caso não tenham reparado até agora, há links acima. Se não têm como abrir comics, googlem (em Windows) por CDisplay; em Linux têm o Comix.]]>
Em 1978, a equipa da Marvel que escrevia a revista "Conan the Barbarian" (Roy Thomas, John Buscema e Ernie Chan) fez o número 13 da série "What If" (criada pelo próprio Thomas, e escrita por ele nos primeiros números) baseada na seguinte questão: e se Conan, o Bárbaro, andasse na Terra nos dias de hoje?

É uma boa história, com arte meio "barbára" (Buscema + Chan), mas nos dias de hoje. E, realisticamente, como a história se passa em pouquíssimo tempo, o Conan não fala nem tem tempo de aprender inglês, é claro, e por isso não pode comunicar com ninguém (excepto... bem, vejam). No fim -- e, desculpem, mas tenho de spoilar a coisa, por causa da história que se segue -- ele volta à sua era.

Anos mais tarde (1984), Peter Gillis (autor daquele "What If" brilhante em que o Capitão América é descongelado só nos anos 80), com Bob Hall como artista, escreveu algo invulgar: um "What If" dependente de outro "What If" (o anterior, é claro): e se o Conan não tivesse voltado à era Hiboriana, e ficasse preso no presente, em New York?

É uma história interessante. Sim, ele agora tem tempo para aprender inglês (se bem que há cenas cómicas de antes de ele o fazer decentemente), e... bem, é melhor não spoilar. Só digo isto: 1) Conan vestido como um "pimp" dos anos 70/80! e 2) na luta contra o Capitão América, há sangue.

Caso não tenham reparado até agora, há links acima. Se não têm como abrir comics, googlem (em Windows) por CDisplay; em Linux têm o Comix.]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-2074.html Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:30:33 +0000 Dehumanizer]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-2074.html http://www.ateismo-pt.com/2010/12/30/bet...ll-o-ateu/

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In the wake of "Annihilation: Conquest," a number of Marvel's cosmic champions like Nova, Star-Lord and his group the Guardians of the Galaxy became concerned about how these galactic wars were affecting the stability of their universe, working hard to prevent any more conflagrations from breaking out. Unfortunately, thanks to the machinations of the Skrull Empire, they failed. As part of their "Secret Invasion" of Earth, the Skrulls attacked the Inhumans in their home on Earth's moon, causing the isolationist Inhumans to respond by becoming aggressively proactive in intergalactic affairs, attacking and conquering their old enemies, the Kree empire. After that, the Inhuman-Kree Empire was attacked by another galactic great power, the Shi'Ar Imperium. This conflict was detailed in "War of Kings," and its climax saw the Guardians of the Galaxy's worst nightmares come true as a hole in time and space was ripped open. This hole was dubbed The Fault and readers soon learned that on the other side is another universe, where life has run amok.

In the current "Realm of Kings" event, the cosmic champions of the Marvel U are exploring that other universe and have discovered that it is home to sinister and powerful entities; entities which have filled their universe with unchecked growth and now crave domination over ours. Waiting to ally with them in our universe is Adam Magus, the villainous doppelganger of Adam Warlock, who is head of the heavily armed Universal Church of Truth. It's a desperate time for the heroes of Marvel Comics, and this spring, desperate measures will be implemented as Magus' deceased arch enemy, Thanos, is resurrected in the hope of using him in the coming battle against Magus and his extra-dimensional allies.

The next cosmic event launches in the one-shot "Thanos Imperative: Ignition" by writers Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning and artist Brad Walker ("Guardians of the Galaxy"). Events escalate in June with the launch of the six -issue " The Thanos Imperative" miniseries by Abnett and Lanning and artist Miguel Sepulveda ("Thunderbolts"). CBR News spoke with the writers, who are collectively known to their fans as DnA, and editor Bill Rosemann about the project.

Story continues below
CBR News: You're laying the final groundwork for "The Thanos Imperative" in the "Realm of Kings" storyline that's currently running through the "Nova" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" ongoings and the two miniseries: "Realm of Kings: Imperial Guard" and "Realm of Kings: Inhumans." Do events in all of these books set "The Thanos Imperative" into motion, or are certain books more important than others?

Dan Abnett: Everything thing points to " The Thanos Imperative: Ignition" one-shot, which is a singular event that will gather in threads from "Guardians," "Nova," "Inhumans," "Imperial Guard" and the "Realm of Kings" one-shot, which seemed like a fun, self-contained thing at the time and now has greater and greater significance as we run into this event.


Thanos returns in "The Thanos Imperative: Ignition"
Andy Lanning: We've built upon all these cool little things that we've been dropping into the books over the past couple of years. "Nova," "Guardians," "War of Kings" and the "Realm of Kings" stuff have all had these little hanging threads that we've picked up and woven into this greater story. Of course, if you look behind the curtain, things weren't so ingrained from the get go [Laughs]. There was a certain amount of throwing things out there because they were cool and intriguing and that's part of the fun of doing something like this.

You've got this great stuff and if you get an idea or a direction, you really turn it up based on the direction the story ends up taking. So this is where it's all kind of lead up to. In "Realm of Kings," we're dealing with the Cthulhu-verse - or Cancer-verse - a universe where life has run rampant. And now the inhabitants of that universe are coming into our universe, where death and entropy are the ruling aspects. There's a collision course happening. We looked for the biggest advocate of death we could find, and that's Thanos and that made it his story. Hence the title, "The Thanos Imperative."

So "The Thanos Imperative" is not only a natural direction for the overall story you're telling, but it's also a way for you guys to fulfill a desire to write Thanos, who died back in the first "Annihilation" storyline?

DA: We wanted to bring Thanos back, mainly because he's an enormously compelling character to write about. He's a big favorite of ours. Anybody who loves Marvel Cosmic like we do can't fail to love Thanos for everything he represents. He's a great looking, marvelously interesting and complicated character who has featured in some great cosmic stories.

So right from the word go, we wanted to do a Thanos story. However, we started working on the cosmic books around the time of "Annihilation" with Nova, and at that point Keith Giffen was busy writing a brilliant death for Thanos. So we didn't want to bring him back willy nilly. We didn't want to just plop him back out again, because it felt like it would be short changing the readers and spoiling Keith's story. However, Thanos is a comic book character, and we knew that he would come back eventually. So our plan was that we would do a Thanos story, but we would hold off on doing it. We would build up to it. It would be a slow burn thing - a sort of holy grail that we would work to over a period of time.

The storylines that have taken us to our Thanos tale have evolved over time. We've been very good at thinking on our feet and moving things about. So that was our plan. We wanted to bring him back because he was very interesting, but we didn't want to just rush into it. So I think his return is a big punctuation point, a big, decisive moment. It's not just that he's back, but he's back at the right moment. That's really what we wanted to do. It's a story that pays off a lot of the stuff that we've been doing for three years. Not just because we've been moving towards it, but because we've been moving everything together

AL: Picking up from what Dan said, Thanos is one of the tentpole cosmic characters in the Marvel Universe, and to have an opportunity to bring him back to life is actually brilliant. Having him die right as Dan and I took over was a bit of a drawback, but that also gave us story potential, because if you're going to bring a character back, you want to A) leave a decent amount of time for their death to have some sort of meaning, and B) bring them back in a creative way that comes out of a story rather than someone pointing their fingers and, lo and behold: Thanos is back as a cool gimmick or a sales point.

From day one of "Guardians," we've been dealing with these strange creatures from another universe, and now two years down the line we've sort of polished that idea into the Cancer-verse. So that sets up a proper opportunity for us to bring Thanos back within a story that makes sense, and to weave a massive event around.

We've only really seen Thanos a few times since his death, and it looked like he was at peace since he was standing side-by-side with his lover, the Marvel U's physical embodiment of Death. What's his mental state like upon his revival in "The Thanos Imperative?"

AL: I think one word can describe his personality, and that's pissed!

DA: Andy is right. One of the things we wanted to make sure we didn't do with Thanos was bring him back and have him rehearse again all the things we've seen him do before. We were trying to think of things that we could do with him that would be significantly different so it wasn't just the same old Thanos. Although he's capable of enormous violence and has superhuman strength, Thanos often seems to be a great master plotter who sits there and thinks up these plans of enormous conspiratorial intrigue. So in this, when we first bring him back, you’ll see he's frighteningly dangerous for different reasons.


After "Ignition," "The Thanos Imperative" gets underway in April
AL: Like Dan said, Thanos is normally the master plotter, so what we thought might be another interesting way to use the character in our story is that he's been brought back as part of somebody else's plan, which is obviously a very dangerous game to play. You don't uncork a genie in the bottle like Thanos and then hope to have him dance to your tune.

Who are some of the other central characters that we'll be seeing in "The Thanos Imperative?"

DA: At the beginning of this story there are two particular camps, and Thanos is slammed down in the middle of everything. On the one side you've got Adam Magus, who is just as potent of a villain [as Thanos]. Some of the great Jim Starlin stories of old have been Thanos versus Magus. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that Magus can go toe-to-toe with Thanos, and we've had great fun with him. He's a fantastic character. So he's there with the Universal Church of Truth; an ecclesiastical empire that stretches across the stars. Plus, there is whatever it is that is lurking on the other side of the Fault, which we're going to reveal more about as we go into the story. They're facing off against basically all our good guys.

Our key characters are going to be Nova and Star-Lord, who will have the Guardians with him. We're going to focus on Nova and Star-Lord particularly, though, because we've been following their adventures since "Annihilation." They're two war buddies who have been through these wars together and have a slightly different take on the way things work. Nova, in particular, in the last few years has really accelerated into the premier division of cosmic superheroes. He's got the power and the experience, whereas Star-Lord is still this sort of comparatively low-powered maverick. He's got the wisdom and the experience, but he has to sort of look to others for the serious cosmic clout.

This story also brings in as co-stars some of the cosmic big guns that we haven't written much about before, like Quasar and the Silver Surfer. This is probably our biggest story, because it requires some of the biggest characters around to get involved. And as such, we're not leaving behind any of the threads that we set up in the other "Realm of Kings" books.

What can you tell us about the overall plot and themes of "The Thanos Imperative?" Is this a war story in the vein of "War of Kings," or should readers be expecting a different type of tale?

AL: In the "Realm of Kings" one-shot, we showed how the Cancer-verse is now linked to our universe via The Fault. The inhabitants of the Cancer-Verse filled their own universe up, and now they're spilling out into our universe like a sucking chest wound. So in that respect, it's like an invasion story where we've got all of the factions on our side of the universe united by Medusa and Gladiator. Their stories in "Realm of Kings" have given them warnings of this impending invasion, and they've created a defensive line to repel these invaders.

We're trying to do what was done with "Annihilation" and "Annihilation: Conquest," where you set personal stories against the backdrop of some huge cosmic event and you follow these individuals and their struggles. You concentrate on how a small team can make a big difference in a larger scale conflict.

DA: There's also no particular telling which way Thanos will go, as it were. Just because he has a long association with Death it doesn't mean that he'll thematically side against life. As we said, he's coming into this story incredibly angry and probably very vengeful. He might just want to get his own back. It's very likely that he'll turn on the Marvel Universe and the characters in it simply to satisfy his lust to get his own back. Of course, there's a more archetypical opponent for him spilling through The Fault. So, as ever, he's as dangerous as can be.

How is the overall story of "The Thanos Imperative" structured? Will this just be a story that unfolds in the miniseries? Or will it also flow into the "Nova" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" ongoings?

Bill Rosemann: Both "Nova" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" will both be going on hiatus in April, with all the action zooming right into "The Thanos Imperative: Ignition" in May, and then the six-issue saga in June. DnA are the masters at crafting stories that both build upon years of character development and also stand on their own - providing you all the "101" info you need to enjoy the adventure. So all you cash-strapped readers rejoice - whether you've read "Annihilation," "Conquest," "War of Kings," "Nova" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" - or whether you're just a fan who digs characters like Thanos and Surfer - you can just pick up "The Thanos Imperative" and enjoy a self-contained, satisfying, galaxy-rocking adventure.

Over the course of your various cosmic epics, you've worked with different artists on wide range of types of stories. What was it about Miguel Sepulveda that made him the right artist for "The Thanos Imperative?"

BR: Month after month, Miguel has been impressing readers of "Thunderbolts" by delivering his unique brand of dynamic action, gritty realism and breath-taking environments. All of those elements will be on display in "The Thanos Imperative," and I hope a host of new readers discover and enjoy the amazing art of this rapidly rising star.

DA: We're really looking forward to seeing him get to work. The decision to offer him the assignment was made not just on the basis that he was very talented, but his style has a gritty, dark look and we thought that was preferable for this story.

Dan and Andy, as you said "The Thanos Imperative" is probably the biggest Marvel Cosmic story that you guys have ever told in terms of scope and stakes, which may leave some readers wondering what comes next? How will you top a story as ambitious as this?

DA: You can always go "one louder," and that doesn't necessarily mean "one more dramatic." There are many different types of stories we can tell. I was thinking about this today. The last sort of event story we did for the cosmic books was "War of Kings," and while that was huge, compared to "Annihilation" it was smaller. It was two great cultures at war rather than an inter-dimensional invasion. The scope was still vast, but not quite as vast. You can go into different levels, and "War of Kings" is more about the intrigue of two great royal lines going head to head. So they both have enormous scopes, but they're different kinds of stories, all of which have that cosmic "wow" factor. They just work on different levels of magnitude. And the "The Thanos Imperative" will have the greatest amount of magnitude that we've attempted yet.

AL: We're playing with the collisions of two universes here. It's pretty large. And to follow up on what Dan said, the Marvel Cosmic Universe is filled with such interesting characters, and we've had such fun over the last three years playing with all of these supposed B and C list characters; dusting them off for people to see. People have seemed to pick up on that. Just looking at all the different alien races, cultures and cosmic entities that are hopping around, we can keep going and going. We don't have to look far for potential story inspirations.

DA: We've had such great response with the cosmic readership - you couldn't possibly imagine a more loyal bunch of readers. It's been a real pleasure, so far, writing stories that seem to get them excited. I have great faith that this story will, and I hope that this story not only serves as the next episode in an exciting story for them, but they also really relish the sense of payoff on storylines that they may not even have been aware were out there smoldering in the background and are now suddenly flaring up to come together in this big thing. You seldom get a chance to do these kinds of story payoffs with a comic, and that's really a thing to be relished.

AL: I think Marvel has really given us a great opportunity to play with these toys. We have some fun with our favorite characters. We're huge fans of Jim Starlin, who created many of these characters. We're huge Keith Giffen fans and we're huge Marvel Cosmic fans. So to have a chance to write these characters for the period of time that we have, and have the fun that we have had, has just been brilliant. I think people who are fans of the cosmic stuff will see the parallels and get the in-jokes. New readers we'll see it at as a different type of story than your average earthbound tale, and hopefully they'll get to see how cool some of these cosmic characters, who they might not normally read about, really are.]]>
In the wake of "Annihilation: Conquest," a number of Marvel's cosmic champions like Nova, Star-Lord and his group the Guardians of the Galaxy became concerned about how these galactic wars were affecting the stability of their universe, working hard to prevent any more conflagrations from breaking out. Unfortunately, thanks to the machinations of the Skrull Empire, they failed. As part of their "Secret Invasion" of Earth, the Skrulls attacked the Inhumans in their home on Earth's moon, causing the isolationist Inhumans to respond by becoming aggressively proactive in intergalactic affairs, attacking and conquering their old enemies, the Kree empire. After that, the Inhuman-Kree Empire was attacked by another galactic great power, the Shi'Ar Imperium. This conflict was detailed in "War of Kings," and its climax saw the Guardians of the Galaxy's worst nightmares come true as a hole in time and space was ripped open. This hole was dubbed The Fault and readers soon learned that on the other side is another universe, where life has run amok.

In the current "Realm of Kings" event, the cosmic champions of the Marvel U are exploring that other universe and have discovered that it is home to sinister and powerful entities; entities which have filled their universe with unchecked growth and now crave domination over ours. Waiting to ally with them in our universe is Adam Magus, the villainous doppelganger of Adam Warlock, who is head of the heavily armed Universal Church of Truth. It's a desperate time for the heroes of Marvel Comics, and this spring, desperate measures will be implemented as Magus' deceased arch enemy, Thanos, is resurrected in the hope of using him in the coming battle against Magus and his extra-dimensional allies.

The next cosmic event launches in the one-shot "Thanos Imperative: Ignition" by writers Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning and artist Brad Walker ("Guardians of the Galaxy"). Events escalate in June with the launch of the six -issue " The Thanos Imperative" miniseries by Abnett and Lanning and artist Miguel Sepulveda ("Thunderbolts"). CBR News spoke with the writers, who are collectively known to their fans as DnA, and editor Bill Rosemann about the project.

Story continues below
CBR News: You're laying the final groundwork for "The Thanos Imperative" in the "Realm of Kings" storyline that's currently running through the "Nova" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" ongoings and the two miniseries: "Realm of Kings: Imperial Guard" and "Realm of Kings: Inhumans." Do events in all of these books set "The Thanos Imperative" into motion, or are certain books more important than others?

Dan Abnett: Everything thing points to " The Thanos Imperative: Ignition" one-shot, which is a singular event that will gather in threads from "Guardians," "Nova," "Inhumans," "Imperial Guard" and the "Realm of Kings" one-shot, which seemed like a fun, self-contained thing at the time and now has greater and greater significance as we run into this event.


Thanos returns in "The Thanos Imperative: Ignition"
Andy Lanning: We've built upon all these cool little things that we've been dropping into the books over the past couple of years. "Nova," "Guardians," "War of Kings" and the "Realm of Kings" stuff have all had these little hanging threads that we've picked up and woven into this greater story. Of course, if you look behind the curtain, things weren't so ingrained from the get go [Laughs]. There was a certain amount of throwing things out there because they were cool and intriguing and that's part of the fun of doing something like this.

You've got this great stuff and if you get an idea or a direction, you really turn it up based on the direction the story ends up taking. So this is where it's all kind of lead up to. In "Realm of Kings," we're dealing with the Cthulhu-verse - or Cancer-verse - a universe where life has run rampant. And now the inhabitants of that universe are coming into our universe, where death and entropy are the ruling aspects. There's a collision course happening. We looked for the biggest advocate of death we could find, and that's Thanos and that made it his story. Hence the title, "The Thanos Imperative."

So "The Thanos Imperative" is not only a natural direction for the overall story you're telling, but it's also a way for you guys to fulfill a desire to write Thanos, who died back in the first "Annihilation" storyline?

DA: We wanted to bring Thanos back, mainly because he's an enormously compelling character to write about. He's a big favorite of ours. Anybody who loves Marvel Cosmic like we do can't fail to love Thanos for everything he represents. He's a great looking, marvelously interesting and complicated character who has featured in some great cosmic stories.

So right from the word go, we wanted to do a Thanos story. However, we started working on the cosmic books around the time of "Annihilation" with Nova, and at that point Keith Giffen was busy writing a brilliant death for Thanos. So we didn't want to bring him back willy nilly. We didn't want to just plop him back out again, because it felt like it would be short changing the readers and spoiling Keith's story. However, Thanos is a comic book character, and we knew that he would come back eventually. So our plan was that we would do a Thanos story, but we would hold off on doing it. We would build up to it. It would be a slow burn thing - a sort of holy grail that we would work to over a period of time.

The storylines that have taken us to our Thanos tale have evolved over time. We've been very good at thinking on our feet and moving things about. So that was our plan. We wanted to bring him back because he was very interesting, but we didn't want to just rush into it. So I think his return is a big punctuation point, a big, decisive moment. It's not just that he's back, but he's back at the right moment. That's really what we wanted to do. It's a story that pays off a lot of the stuff that we've been doing for three years. Not just because we've been moving towards it, but because we've been moving everything together

AL: Picking up from what Dan said, Thanos is one of the tentpole cosmic characters in the Marvel Universe, and to have an opportunity to bring him back to life is actually brilliant. Having him die right as Dan and I took over was a bit of a drawback, but that also gave us story potential, because if you're going to bring a character back, you want to A) leave a decent amount of time for their death to have some sort of meaning, and B) bring them back in a creative way that comes out of a story rather than someone pointing their fingers and, lo and behold: Thanos is back as a cool gimmick or a sales point.

From day one of "Guardians," we've been dealing with these strange creatures from another universe, and now two years down the line we've sort of polished that idea into the Cancer-verse. So that sets up a proper opportunity for us to bring Thanos back within a story that makes sense, and to weave a massive event around.

We've only really seen Thanos a few times since his death, and it looked like he was at peace since he was standing side-by-side with his lover, the Marvel U's physical embodiment of Death. What's his mental state like upon his revival in "The Thanos Imperative?"

AL: I think one word can describe his personality, and that's pissed!

DA: Andy is right. One of the things we wanted to make sure we didn't do with Thanos was bring him back and have him rehearse again all the things we've seen him do before. We were trying to think of things that we could do with him that would be significantly different so it wasn't just the same old Thanos. Although he's capable of enormous violence and has superhuman strength, Thanos often seems to be a great master plotter who sits there and thinks up these plans of enormous conspiratorial intrigue. So in this, when we first bring him back, you’ll see he's frighteningly dangerous for different reasons.


After "Ignition," "The Thanos Imperative" gets underway in April
AL: Like Dan said, Thanos is normally the master plotter, so what we thought might be another interesting way to use the character in our story is that he's been brought back as part of somebody else's plan, which is obviously a very dangerous game to play. You don't uncork a genie in the bottle like Thanos and then hope to have him dance to your tune.

Who are some of the other central characters that we'll be seeing in "The Thanos Imperative?"

DA: At the beginning of this story there are two particular camps, and Thanos is slammed down in the middle of everything. On the one side you've got Adam Magus, who is just as potent of a villain [as Thanos]. Some of the great Jim Starlin stories of old have been Thanos versus Magus. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that Magus can go toe-to-toe with Thanos, and we've had great fun with him. He's a fantastic character. So he's there with the Universal Church of Truth; an ecclesiastical empire that stretches across the stars. Plus, there is whatever it is that is lurking on the other side of the Fault, which we're going to reveal more about as we go into the story. They're facing off against basically all our good guys.

Our key characters are going to be Nova and Star-Lord, who will have the Guardians with him. We're going to focus on Nova and Star-Lord particularly, though, because we've been following their adventures since "Annihilation." They're two war buddies who have been through these wars together and have a slightly different take on the way things work. Nova, in particular, in the last few years has really accelerated into the premier division of cosmic superheroes. He's got the power and the experience, whereas Star-Lord is still this sort of comparatively low-powered maverick. He's got the wisdom and the experience, but he has to sort of look to others for the serious cosmic clout.

This story also brings in as co-stars some of the cosmic big guns that we haven't written much about before, like Quasar and the Silver Surfer. This is probably our biggest story, because it requires some of the biggest characters around to get involved. And as such, we're not leaving behind any of the threads that we set up in the other "Realm of Kings" books.

What can you tell us about the overall plot and themes of "The Thanos Imperative?" Is this a war story in the vein of "War of Kings," or should readers be expecting a different type of tale?

AL: In the "Realm of Kings" one-shot, we showed how the Cancer-verse is now linked to our universe via The Fault. The inhabitants of the Cancer-Verse filled their own universe up, and now they're spilling out into our universe like a sucking chest wound. So in that respect, it's like an invasion story where we've got all of the factions on our side of the universe united by Medusa and Gladiator. Their stories in "Realm of Kings" have given them warnings of this impending invasion, and they've created a defensive line to repel these invaders.

We're trying to do what was done with "Annihilation" and "Annihilation: Conquest," where you set personal stories against the backdrop of some huge cosmic event and you follow these individuals and their struggles. You concentrate on how a small team can make a big difference in a larger scale conflict.

DA: There's also no particular telling which way Thanos will go, as it were. Just because he has a long association with Death it doesn't mean that he'll thematically side against life. As we said, he's coming into this story incredibly angry and probably very vengeful. He might just want to get his own back. It's very likely that he'll turn on the Marvel Universe and the characters in it simply to satisfy his lust to get his own back. Of course, there's a more archetypical opponent for him spilling through The Fault. So, as ever, he's as dangerous as can be.

How is the overall story of "The Thanos Imperative" structured? Will this just be a story that unfolds in the miniseries? Or will it also flow into the "Nova" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" ongoings?

Bill Rosemann: Both "Nova" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" will both be going on hiatus in April, with all the action zooming right into "The Thanos Imperative: Ignition" in May, and then the six-issue saga in June. DnA are the masters at crafting stories that both build upon years of character development and also stand on their own - providing you all the "101" info you need to enjoy the adventure. So all you cash-strapped readers rejoice - whether you've read "Annihilation," "Conquest," "War of Kings," "Nova" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" - or whether you're just a fan who digs characters like Thanos and Surfer - you can just pick up "The Thanos Imperative" and enjoy a self-contained, satisfying, galaxy-rocking adventure.

Over the course of your various cosmic epics, you've worked with different artists on wide range of types of stories. What was it about Miguel Sepulveda that made him the right artist for "The Thanos Imperative?"

BR: Month after month, Miguel has been impressing readers of "Thunderbolts" by delivering his unique brand of dynamic action, gritty realism and breath-taking environments. All of those elements will be on display in "The Thanos Imperative," and I hope a host of new readers discover and enjoy the amazing art of this rapidly rising star.

DA: We're really looking forward to seeing him get to work. The decision to offer him the assignment was made not just on the basis that he was very talented, but his style has a gritty, dark look and we thought that was preferable for this story.

Dan and Andy, as you said "The Thanos Imperative" is probably the biggest Marvel Cosmic story that you guys have ever told in terms of scope and stakes, which may leave some readers wondering what comes next? How will you top a story as ambitious as this?

DA: You can always go "one louder," and that doesn't necessarily mean "one more dramatic." There are many different types of stories we can tell. I was thinking about this today. The last sort of event story we did for the cosmic books was "War of Kings," and while that was huge, compared to "Annihilation" it was smaller. It was two great cultures at war rather than an inter-dimensional invasion. The scope was still vast, but not quite as vast. You can go into different levels, and "War of Kings" is more about the intrigue of two great royal lines going head to head. So they both have enormous scopes, but they're different kinds of stories, all of which have that cosmic "wow" factor. They just work on different levels of magnitude. And the "The Thanos Imperative" will have the greatest amount of magnitude that we've attempted yet.

AL: We're playing with the collisions of two universes here. It's pretty large. And to follow up on what Dan said, the Marvel Cosmic Universe is filled with such interesting characters, and we've had such fun over the last three years playing with all of these supposed B and C list characters; dusting them off for people to see. People have seemed to pick up on that. Just looking at all the different alien races, cultures and cosmic entities that are hopping around, we can keep going and going. We don't have to look far for potential story inspirations.

DA: We've had such great response with the cosmic readership - you couldn't possibly imagine a more loyal bunch of readers. It's been a real pleasure, so far, writing stories that seem to get them excited. I have great faith that this story will, and I hope that this story not only serves as the next episode in an exciting story for them, but they also really relish the sense of payoff on storylines that they may not even have been aware were out there smoldering in the background and are now suddenly flaring up to come together in this big thing. You seldom get a chance to do these kinds of story payoffs with a comic, and that's really a thing to be relished.

AL: I think Marvel has really given us a great opportunity to play with these toys. We have some fun with our favorite characters. We're huge fans of Jim Starlin, who created many of these characters. We're huge Keith Giffen fans and we're huge Marvel Cosmic fans. So to have a chance to write these characters for the period of time that we have, and have the fun that we have had, has just been brilliant. I think people who are fans of the cosmic stuff will see the parallels and get the in-jokes. New readers we'll see it at as a different type of story than your average earthbound tale, and hopefully they'll get to see how cool some of these cosmic characters, who they might not normally read about, really are.]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1758.html Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:04:50 +0000 Dehumanizer]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1758.html http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com...ster-list/

Não são os que eu escolheria, mas, bem, é a opinião de um tipo. De qualquer forma, estão efectivamente ali muitos clássicos. E conheço quase todos. ]]> http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com...ster-list/

Não são os que eu escolheria, mas, bem, é a opinião de um tipo. De qualquer forma, estão efectivamente ali muitos clássicos. E conheço quase todos. ]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1631.html Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:59:08 +0100 Dehumanizer]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1631.html http://www.comicvine.com/count-nefaria/2.../92-29130/

Basicamente, é -- mais do que o Hyperion ou o Gladiador -- o Super-Homem da Marvel. E, como é vilão, é naturalmente bem mais poderoso do que os dois anteriormente mencionados.

"Ah," dizem, "mas qualquer autor pode sem grande trabalho criar o tipo mais poderoso de sempre." É verdade. Mas este tem a particularidade de que todas as aparições dele (raras -- umas 3, no máximo) foram bem escritas (e desenhadas). Vejam o link acima... e tentem arranjar as histórias, se conseguirem. ]]> http://www.comicvine.com/count-nefaria/2.../92-29130/

Basicamente, é -- mais do que o Hyperion ou o Gladiador -- o Super-Homem da Marvel. E, como é vilão, é naturalmente bem mais poderoso do que os dois anteriormente mencionados.

"Ah," dizem, "mas qualquer autor pode sem grande trabalho criar o tipo mais poderoso de sempre." É verdade. Mas este tem a particularidade de que todas as aparições dele (raras -- umas 3, no máximo) foram bem escritas (e desenhadas). Vejam o link acima... e tentem arranjar as histórias, se conseguirem. ]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1541.html Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:11:23 +0100 Dehumanizer]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1541.html
...deixo-vos o fim desta grande luta: Thanos vs. Odin, "Warlock & the Infinity Watch #25", Jim Starlin e Angel Medina.

Eles trocam uns ataques (e "smack talk") antes disto, mas são muito menos épicos,
e há muito mais quadradinhos com o "público assistente" a falar; a parte boa começa aqui
(se bem que há uma página do Odin a vencer o Surfista Prateado que também está bem boa).















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...deixo-vos o fim desta grande luta: Thanos vs. Odin, "Warlock & the Infinity Watch #25", Jim Starlin e Angel Medina.

Eles trocam uns ataques (e "smack talk") antes disto, mas são muito menos épicos,
e há muito mais quadradinhos com o "público assistente" a falar; a parte boa começa aqui
(se bem que há uma página do Odin a vencer o Surfista Prateado que também está bem boa).















]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1460.html Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:25:00 +0000 Dehumanizer]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1460.html Marvel Two-in-One Annual 7

The Champion of the Universe vs. the Marvel Heroes. Um clássico que ninguém aqui deve conhecer.

Aproveitem, eu não duro sempre. ]]> Marvel Two-in-One Annual 7

The Champion of the Universe vs. the Marvel Heroes. Um clássico que ninguém aqui deve conhecer.

Aproveitem, eu não duro sempre. ]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1351.html Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:38:40 +0100 Rufferto]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1351.html

Hulk #05
http://rapidshare.com/files/135420083/Hu...t-DCP_.cbr
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zwzupi

Suponho que já tenham lido o Hulk #5 e que tenham ficado tão enojados como eu. Se não leram o livro, então é melhor fazerem-no antes de continuarem a ler este post. Perante um comic tão mau, não resisti a ler outras opiniões sobre ele. Destaco duas, tiradas do IGN. A primeira é a review oficial, a segunda é um comentário:

Never has a Hulk writer made me so identify with Bruce Banner's inner rage. After reading this comic, I want to stomp and smash and break things and make loud noises and just generally show the world how ticked off I am. In this case, however, it has nothing to do with a writer using skill and craft to make me empathize with a hero. Quite the opposite. Hulk #5 is a bad, bad comic. Quite possibly the worst yet in this young series. That makes me angry. Finding myself still lacking the ability to grow giant, green muscles, I'll have to settle for ripping the comic to shreds.

Here's the thing - when you play with other peoples' toys, common decency suggests you should treat them nicely and put them back in the box relatively unharmed. Hulk doesn't do that. The series has already treated She-Hulk and Iron Man like ragdolls who crumple under the awesome might of Red Hulk. Now it's Thor's turn. This should be a match up for the ages. You have Hulk, one version of him anyway, a beast with nearly limitless power doing battle with the all-powerful Norse god of thunder. Instead of making things interesting, or finally providing Red Hulk with a suitable opponent, Jeph Loeb allows his creation to trounce Thor for half the issue. I despise villains whose only defining trait is the fact that they're stronger than every other person in the universe. You may think it doesn't matter, and that I should stop whining that my precious Thor is getting shoved in the proverbial cafeteria trash can, but this series is undermining the character's place in the current Marvel Universe. J. Michael Straczynski and others have spent time carefully reestablishing Thor as a complex, powerful figure. This interpretation throws all of Straczynski' subtlety out the window and kicks sand in his face for good measure.

I'd move on from Thor to other areas, but there really isn't much to talk about. Once again, this issue is decompressed to the point where it takes roughly three or four minutes to read. When Thor and Red Hulk aren't brawling, Loeb spends a few panels teasing the mystery of Reddy's identity once again. It's not even a mystery anymore so much as a case of the characters saying, "I know and I'm not telling! Naahhh!!!" Fortunately, I stopped caring months ago whether Red Hulk is General Ross or Glenn Talbot or Onslaught or whoever the pool of candidates includes these days.

Bad dialogue, poor pacing, maltreated characters - the only saving grace for Hulk continues to be Ed McGuinness' art. However, this book has passed the point where I can just cover the word balloons with a Sharpie and stare at the pictures. I hate that this series is my only outlet for Hulk stories, and I hate that so many great Marvel characters are being dumped upon for no apparent or meaningful reason. Most of all, I hate the fact that this series will sell more copies in a week than many smaller, deserving books will all year. So if you're in the shop this week, staring at this issue and wondering if you should add it to your stack, think twice. It'll make me angry, and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

---

It has been a very long time since a comic book made me angry. (No I won't make any bad "Don't make me angry" jokes.) But this book royally p'ed me badly. Like many Marvel fans (and Thor fans in particular) I was among those who missed Thor's presence in Civil War and WWH. I am also one of those who still believe it should have been Thor, not Sentinel, who stopped the Hulk in WWH. Marvel is aware of the large segment of their fanbase who feels this way and they finally answered all of us in Hulk #5 with a giant, red 'Up Yours!' Red Hulk even acknowledged it when he drug Thor into space and mentioned Civil War AND WWH. (Note to Marvel - your characters demonstrating self-awareness that they are just comic characters isn't cute or wacky or ironic; it's just dumb. Hulk inexplicably leaving Thor alive on the moon also screams "this is a comic book!") And for the love of gods thunder and otherwise - why should gravity have any impact on someone's ability to wield Mjolnir. Gravity has nothing to do with. Thor's hammer isn't too heavy for others to pick up; others just aren't worthy to wield it. To let red Hulk manhandle Mjolnir and then smite Thor with it is yet another giant 'Up Yours,' this one aimed at 40 years of Thor continuity!!!. How in the name of sanity is Marvel going to reconcile this?!?! Suddenly, Thor is useless in space battles - just grab his hammer and pound him with it. I guess I missed the footnote on Mjolnir's inscription: "This warranty void in zero gravity environments." How did Odin overlook that little issue when he placed his enchantment on it. And, as the reviewer points out, this issue takes all of JMS's work in re-creating Thor and takes a giant red dump all over it. How can I believe that Thor can fight off the Skrulls? How can I believe he can even defend Asgard should red Hulk decide to visit Oklahoma? Oh, and that ending - with the possible exception of Ares there's not a one of those characters that would last 2 seconds against Thor. (Well, it used to be that way.) Yet somehow its all going to conclude next issue with this gang of also-rans taking down the Hulk? What sort of deus ex machina is Loeb and company going to pull out of Stark's rectum finish this debacle? The Thor ex machina failed pretty miserably. Marvel's preview page told us that this issue featured the battle we've all been waiting for. Excuse me? I don't know of anyone who was waiting for this load of craptacularness.]]>

Hulk #05
http://rapidshare.com/files/135420083/Hu...t-DCP_.cbr
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zwzupi

Suponho que já tenham lido o Hulk #5 e que tenham ficado tão enojados como eu. Se não leram o livro, então é melhor fazerem-no antes de continuarem a ler este post. Perante um comic tão mau, não resisti a ler outras opiniões sobre ele. Destaco duas, tiradas do IGN. A primeira é a review oficial, a segunda é um comentário:

Never has a Hulk writer made me so identify with Bruce Banner's inner rage. After reading this comic, I want to stomp and smash and break things and make loud noises and just generally show the world how ticked off I am. In this case, however, it has nothing to do with a writer using skill and craft to make me empathize with a hero. Quite the opposite. Hulk #5 is a bad, bad comic. Quite possibly the worst yet in this young series. That makes me angry. Finding myself still lacking the ability to grow giant, green muscles, I'll have to settle for ripping the comic to shreds.

Here's the thing - when you play with other peoples' toys, common decency suggests you should treat them nicely and put them back in the box relatively unharmed. Hulk doesn't do that. The series has already treated She-Hulk and Iron Man like ragdolls who crumple under the awesome might of Red Hulk. Now it's Thor's turn. This should be a match up for the ages. You have Hulk, one version of him anyway, a beast with nearly limitless power doing battle with the all-powerful Norse god of thunder. Instead of making things interesting, or finally providing Red Hulk with a suitable opponent, Jeph Loeb allows his creation to trounce Thor for half the issue. I despise villains whose only defining trait is the fact that they're stronger than every other person in the universe. You may think it doesn't matter, and that I should stop whining that my precious Thor is getting shoved in the proverbial cafeteria trash can, but this series is undermining the character's place in the current Marvel Universe. J. Michael Straczynski and others have spent time carefully reestablishing Thor as a complex, powerful figure. This interpretation throws all of Straczynski' subtlety out the window and kicks sand in his face for good measure.

I'd move on from Thor to other areas, but there really isn't much to talk about. Once again, this issue is decompressed to the point where it takes roughly three or four minutes to read. When Thor and Red Hulk aren't brawling, Loeb spends a few panels teasing the mystery of Reddy's identity once again. It's not even a mystery anymore so much as a case of the characters saying, "I know and I'm not telling! Naahhh!!!" Fortunately, I stopped caring months ago whether Red Hulk is General Ross or Glenn Talbot or Onslaught or whoever the pool of candidates includes these days.

Bad dialogue, poor pacing, maltreated characters - the only saving grace for Hulk continues to be Ed McGuinness' art. However, this book has passed the point where I can just cover the word balloons with a Sharpie and stare at the pictures. I hate that this series is my only outlet for Hulk stories, and I hate that so many great Marvel characters are being dumped upon for no apparent or meaningful reason. Most of all, I hate the fact that this series will sell more copies in a week than many smaller, deserving books will all year. So if you're in the shop this week, staring at this issue and wondering if you should add it to your stack, think twice. It'll make me angry, and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

---

It has been a very long time since a comic book made me angry. (No I won't make any bad "Don't make me angry" jokes.) But this book royally p'ed me badly. Like many Marvel fans (and Thor fans in particular) I was among those who missed Thor's presence in Civil War and WWH. I am also one of those who still believe it should have been Thor, not Sentinel, who stopped the Hulk in WWH. Marvel is aware of the large segment of their fanbase who feels this way and they finally answered all of us in Hulk #5 with a giant, red 'Up Yours!' Red Hulk even acknowledged it when he drug Thor into space and mentioned Civil War AND WWH. (Note to Marvel - your characters demonstrating self-awareness that they are just comic characters isn't cute or wacky or ironic; it's just dumb. Hulk inexplicably leaving Thor alive on the moon also screams "this is a comic book!") And for the love of gods thunder and otherwise - why should gravity have any impact on someone's ability to wield Mjolnir. Gravity has nothing to do with. Thor's hammer isn't too heavy for others to pick up; others just aren't worthy to wield it. To let red Hulk manhandle Mjolnir and then smite Thor with it is yet another giant 'Up Yours,' this one aimed at 40 years of Thor continuity!!!. How in the name of sanity is Marvel going to reconcile this?!?! Suddenly, Thor is useless in space battles - just grab his hammer and pound him with it. I guess I missed the footnote on Mjolnir's inscription: "This warranty void in zero gravity environments." How did Odin overlook that little issue when he placed his enchantment on it. And, as the reviewer points out, this issue takes all of JMS's work in re-creating Thor and takes a giant red dump all over it. How can I believe that Thor can fight off the Skrulls? How can I believe he can even defend Asgard should red Hulk decide to visit Oklahoma? Oh, and that ending - with the possible exception of Ares there's not a one of those characters that would last 2 seconds against Thor. (Well, it used to be that way.) Yet somehow its all going to conclude next issue with this gang of also-rans taking down the Hulk? What sort of deus ex machina is Loeb and company going to pull out of Stark's rectum finish this debacle? The Thor ex machina failed pretty miserably. Marvel's preview page told us that this issue featured the battle we've all been waiting for. Excuse me? I don't know of anyone who was waiting for this load of craptacularness.]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1227.html Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:10:38 +0000 Dehumanizer]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1227.html
http://daveslongbox.blogspot.com/2006/04...alker.html

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http://daveslongbox.blogspot.com/2006/04...alker.html

]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1214.html Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:25:31 +0000 Dehumanizer]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1214.html
... quem é que aqui leu isso?

Para mim, ainda é o "magnum opus" do Alan Moore, e indubitavelmente (e sem dúvida) a melhor comic dos anos 80.

Opiniões?

Para quem não conhece, espero que tenham ficado com uma enorme vontade de ler, e que arranjem forma de o fazer. You won't regret it.]]>
... quem é que aqui leu isso?

Para mim, ainda é o "magnum opus" do Alan Moore, e indubitavelmente (e sem dúvida) a melhor comic dos anos 80.

Opiniões?

Para quem não conhece, espero que tenham ficado com uma enorme vontade de ler, e que arranjem forma de o fazer. You won't regret it.]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1209.html Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:29:58 +0000 Dehumanizer]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1209.html

Apesar de esta série não ser perfeita, achei-a muuuuuito melhor do que a Civil War. Melhor escrita, muito mais acção, muito menos contradições e coisas que não fazem sentido, e o Hulk nunca foi tão bem escrito sem ter alguém com o nome "David" ou "Mantlo" no nome.

Se ainda não leste e não queres ser spoilado, não continues a ler este post para já...

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O que vem aí:

- nova revista "Hulk" (sem o "The Incredible"), escrita pelo Jeph Loeb, com um novo Hulk vermelho, e que aparentemente não é o Bruce Banner (que está preso)

- no número 112 do "The Incredible Hulk", o nome muda para "The Incredible Herc", e passa a estar centrado no Hercules e no Amadeus Cho. Por uma entrevista que li, as histórias que vêm aí parecem bem boas, e vão incluir o Panteão, da era Peter David do Hulk.

- vai haver uma mini-série "Skaar, Son of Hulk", aquele que aparece na última página do WWH #5. Sim, ele é mesmo o filho do Hulk e da Caiera; pelos vistos ela podia ter sobrevivido, mas escolheu proteger o filho unborn (e o Hulk também? No What If, em que ele a atira para longe, ele morre...). Passa-se em Sakaar, que teve a sua capital destruída, mas o mundo ainda existe.

- pelo que vi, o Hulk original vai estar "de molho" por uns tempos.]]>

Apesar de esta série não ser perfeita, achei-a muuuuuito melhor do que a Civil War. Melhor escrita, muito mais acção, muito menos contradições e coisas que não fazem sentido, e o Hulk nunca foi tão bem escrito sem ter alguém com o nome "David" ou "Mantlo" no nome.

Se ainda não leste e não queres ser spoilado, não continues a ler este post para já...

s
p
o
i
l
e
r

s
p
a
c
e

O que vem aí:

- nova revista "Hulk" (sem o "The Incredible"), escrita pelo Jeph Loeb, com um novo Hulk vermelho, e que aparentemente não é o Bruce Banner (que está preso)

- no número 112 do "The Incredible Hulk", o nome muda para "The Incredible Herc", e passa a estar centrado no Hercules e no Amadeus Cho. Por uma entrevista que li, as histórias que vêm aí parecem bem boas, e vão incluir o Panteão, da era Peter David do Hulk.

- vai haver uma mini-série "Skaar, Son of Hulk", aquele que aparece na última página do WWH #5. Sim, ele é mesmo o filho do Hulk e da Caiera; pelos vistos ela podia ter sobrevivido, mas escolheu proteger o filho unborn (e o Hulk também? No What If, em que ele a atira para longe, ele morre...). Passa-se em Sakaar, que teve a sua capital destruída, mas o mundo ainda existe.

- pelo que vi, o Hulk original vai estar "de molho" por uns tempos.]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1157.html Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:55:47 +0100 Rufferto]]> https://www.patodadestruicao.com/thread-1157.html

Não sei quem desenhou isto, mas tem talento.]]>

Não sei quem desenhou isto, mas tem talento.]]>